Linguagens, Hacker e tudo mais!

[Juliano_CarnielPJ]

Li este texto ontem, e alguns dos linkados a eles.
http://paulgraham.com/gh.html

Premissas para ler esse texto (se eh qeu alguem vai ler, ele é ENORMEEE):
Hacker = Hard Coder não o significado abrasileirado deste termo.
Muito interessante, principalemente algumas partes como:

He wrote about productivity in lines of code: the best programmers can solve a given problem in a tenth the time. But what if the problem isn’t given? In programming, as in many fields, the hard part isn’t solving problems, but deciding what problems to solve. Imagination is hard to measure, but in practice it dominates the kind of productivity that’s measured in lines of code.

What motivates them? What do they need to do their jobs? How do you recognize them? How do you get them to come and work for you? And then of course there’s the question, how do you become one?

When you decide what infrastructure to use for a project, you’re not just making a technical decision. You’re also making a social decision, and this may be the more important of the two. For example, if your company wants to write some software, it might seem a prudent choice to write it in Java. But when you choose a language, you’re also choosing a community. The programmers you’ll be able to hire to work on a Java project won’t be as smart as the ones you could get to work on a project written in Python. And the quality of your hackers probably matters more than the language you choose. Though, frankly, the fact that good hackers prefer Python to Java should tell you something about the relative merits of those languages.
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But a programming language isn’t just a format. A programming language is a medium of expression.

fter software, the most important tool to a hacker is probably his office. Big companies think the function of office space is to express rank. But hackers use their offices for more than that: they use their office as a place to think in. And if you’re a technology company, their thoughts are your product. So making hackers work in a noisy, distracting environment is like having a paint factory where the air is full of soot.
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One big company that understands what hackers need is Microsoft. I once saw a recruiting ad for Microsoft with a big picture of a door. Work for us, the premise was, and we’ll give you a place to work where you can actually get work done. And you know, Microsoft is remarkable among big companies in that they are able to develop software in house. Not well, perhaps, but well enough.

If companies want hackers to be productive, they should look at what they do at home. At home, hackers can arrange things themselves so they can get the most done.

[quote=“Talking about Boring Work”]
I think the same thing happened at Google. When Google was founded, the conventional wisdom among the so-called portals was that search was boring and unimportant. But the guys at Google didn’t think search was boring, and that’s why they do it so well.[/quote]

Steve Jobs seems to be particularly good at this, in part simply by having high standards. There were a lot of small, inexpensive computers before the Mac. He redefined the problem as: make one that’s beautiful.

[quote=“Ótima definição para trabalhos Chatos!!!”]
So it’s not just fastidiousness that makes good hackers avoid nasty little problems. It’s more a question of self-preservation. Working on nasty little problems makes you stupid. Good hackers avoid it for the same reason models avoid cheeseburgers.[/quote]

I think Bill Gates knows this. What worries him about Google is not the power of their brand, but the fact that they have better hackers.[7]
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[7] Google is much more dangerous to Microsoft than Netscape was. Probably more dangerous than any other company has ever been. Not least because they’re determined to fight. On their job listing page, they say that one of their "core values’’ is "Don’t be evil.’’ From a company selling soybean oil or mining equipment, such a statement would merely be eccentric. But I think all of us in the computer world recognize who that is a declaration of war on.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh…
to sendo bonzinho demais… to colando as melhores partes… nossa muito legal o texto… imprima ai e deixe no banheir, sempre que puder de uma lidinha (idéia do Zampa hahahaha)

Abraços!!!

[Roger_PJ]

cara … aonde vc achou este artigo ?!? muito bom ! Não consegui ir dormir sem antes terminar de ler …

fui “obrigado!” a separar algumas partes para comentar …

confesso que senti “ofendido”, será q o autor tem algum trauma com Java ?

Indeed, these statistics about Cobol or Java being the most popular language can be misleading. What we ought to look at, if we want to know what tools are best, is what hackers choose when they can choose freely-- that is, in projects of their own. When you ask that question, you find that open source operating systems already have a dominant market share, and the number one language is probably Perl.

me identifiquei muito com a situação abaixo … preciso mudar de trampo urgente !!!

[quote]It’s pretty easy to say what kinds of problems are not interesting: those where instead of solving a few big, clear, problems, you have to solve a lot of nasty little ones. One of the worst kinds of projects is writing an interface to a piece of software that’s full of bugs. Another is when you have to customize something for an individual client’s complex and ill-defined needs. To hackers these kinds of projects are the death of a thousand cuts.
The distinguishing feature of nasty little problems is that you don’t learn anything from them. Writing a compiler is interesting because it teaches you what a compiler is. But writing an interface to a buggy piece of software doesn’t teach you anything, because the bugs are random. [3] So it’s not just fastidiousness that makes good hackers avoid nasty little problems. It’s more a question of self-preservation. Working on nasty little problems makes you stupid. Good hackers avoid it for the same reason models avoid cheeseburgers.
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concordo plenamente com a citação abaixo, preciso de uma chance !

[quote]With this amount of noise in the signal, it’s hard to tell good hackers when you meet them. I can’t tell, even now. You also can’t tell from their resumes. It seems like the only way to judge a hacker is to work with him on something.
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por incrivel que pareça, isso é o que eu sempre falo quando alguém me pergunta como me tornei programador … hehehe

[quote]The best hackers tend to be smart, of course, but that’s true in a lot of fields. Is there some quality that’s unique to hackers? I asked some friends, and the number one thing they mentioned was curiosity. I’d always supposed that all smart people were curious-- that curiosity was simply the first derivative of knowledge. But apparently hackers are particularly curious, especially about how things work. That makes sense, because programs are in effect giant descriptions of how things work.
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flw, espero mais comentários sobre o artigo. Muito interessante …

Roger

[Juliano_CarnielPJ]

OOooooooooooooooo

Eu sinceramente achei que ninguem fosse ler!!!
Roger vc é um dentre Poucos Parabéns!!!

Quanto ao que vc falou das linguagens. (vou ser crucificado mas…) Eu acho que o autor está certo sim. Os melhores programadores de Java que eu conheço ou ouvi falar sabem principalmente, Perl e Python. É fato.

So it’s not just fastidiousness that makes good hackers avoid nasty little problems. It’s more a question of self-preservation. Working on nasty little problems makes you stupid. Good hackers avoid it for the same reason models avoid cheeseburgers.

Como ele disse: Só faça trabalhos chatos se vc for passar fome!

hiaheiuhaue foda foda!!!

Mas é isso ai.

Bom Roger, acho que somos poucos dentre os que irão ler esse post, e quem sabe os únicos a comentar aqui.
Mas só digo uma coisa que leu não se arrepende, é bem legal!

Anyways!!! Life is made by choices!!!

[FelipePJ]

achei bem interessante, mas qnto as linguagens, eu acho q com C se conseguiria mais bons hackers que em perl…

a um tempo a traz fui aprender perl e sinceramente nao gostei muito, prefiro java e C

algumas partes que eu gostei e ainda nao foram postadas:

I know a handful of super-hackers, so I sat down and thought about what they have in common. Their defining quality is probably that they really love to program. Ordinary programmers write code to pay the bills. Great hackers think of it as something they do for fun, and which they’re delighted to find people will pay them for.

Great hackers also generally insist on using open source software. Not just because it’s better, but because it gives them more control. Good hackers insist on control. This is part of what makes them good hackers: when something’s broken, they need to fix it. You want them to feel this way about the software they’re writing for you. You shouldn’t be surprised when they feel the same way about the operating system.